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Immigration is not the biggest problem that Americans face

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It is a sad day in United States history when some politician thinks that we can solve illegal immigration with a fence. Fences will not solve the problem. It might, however, cut through American towns, as the most recent plans for a border fence in Texas, along the Rio Grande would....

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Bill

posted 1/18/08 @ 7:44 AM EST

It may not stop them, but it will slow them down. Whats the alternative? Granting one amnesty after another? I highly resent Mexico's corrupt oligarcy,
and the general sentiment that it's up to the United States to solve the problem. If Mexico acted beyond
their cavalier attitude of literally forcing us to
subsidize the illegal's he proudly refers to as his
"cockroach army", a fence wouldn't be necessary

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:11 PM EST

The Mexican government really isn't that cavalier about illegal immigration. They're frustrated that they're losing people.

I see you only read the first paragraphs of my article, otherwise you would have noticed that my opposition to the wall comes with the suggestion that we open more channels for legal immigration, because I operate under the idea that most of these people would prefer to be legitimate immigrants if they had the resources to do so.

Originally posted by

Bill

It may not stop them, but it will slow them down. Whats the alternative? Granting one amnesty after another? I highly resent Mexico's corrupt oligarcy,
and the general sentiment that it's up to the United States to solve the problem. If Mexico acted beyond
their cavalier attitude of literally forcing us to
subsidize the illegal's he proudly refers to as his
"cockroach army", a fence wouldn't be necessary

Steve

posted 1/18/08 @ 9:09 AM EST

I don't agree with your solution on what should be done. This is mainly because you mentioned no solution on what should be done. You did have issues with solutions that have been presented, but offered no solutions of your own. It is kind of easy to say that there are flaws with solutions that are presented. I'm a bit confused on what's wrong with creating jobs for people (in the camera solution). Yes, it will cost money to hire those people, but isn't job creation good? Won't it stimulate the economy and lower unemployment? Do you know what would be great? If those illegals paid taxes.

Also you talk about how people are against illegal immigrants, then mention how hypocritical it is because our ancestors were immigrants. See, the difference there is that word "illegal".

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:17 PM EST

The reason I don't propose a specific solution plan is because I don't presume to know everything. I did propose making the legal immigration less complicated and time consuming, and expensive.

Creating jobs is bad if they're not created by businesses. Government jobs don't stimulate the economy, because they drive taxes higher, and take more money away from people. The government does not need to have more employees, especially ones as unnecessary as the ones I discussed. I'd refuse to pay for it in my taxes if it ever came about.

And I basically said that it would be wonderful if illegals paid taxes. But you have to make them *legal* first.

Originally posted by

Steve

I don't agree with your solution on what should be done. This is mainly because you mentioned no solution on what should be done. You did have issues with solutions that have been presented, but offered no solutions of your own. It is kind of easy to say that there are flaws with solutions that are presented. I'm a bit confused on what's wrong with creating jobs for people (in the camera solution). Yes, it will cost money to hire those people, but isn't job creation good? Won't it stimulate the economy and lower unemployment? Do you know what would be great? If those illegals paid taxes.

Also you talk about how people are against illegal immigrants, then mention how hypocritical it is because our ancestors were immigrants. See, the difference there is that word "illegal".

Mike

posted 1/18/08 @ 11:38 AM EST

"Illegal"Immigration "is" the biggest problem that Americans face.
Most of the problems facing us today can be directly related to "Illegal"Immigration. School Overcrowding, Emergency rooms closing, and Funds for wellfare Programs are being drained by "Illegal"Immigration. Jobs that would be narmally filled by High School & Collage students are being taken by the "Illegal" Immigration.
Union Jobs are being undercut by "Illegal"Immigration" because "Illegal" workers are willing to work with no benifits and low wages.
I can keep going with this list, so many problem are directly related to not controling "Illegal"Immigration".

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:23 PM EST

That's why I said we need to make it easier to become a legitimate, legal immigrant so that they can pay taxes to fund programs instead of just draining them.

I personally don't think that Illegal immigration is the biggest problem, however. I somehow can't see the United States being destroyed by poor Mexicans crossing a border. Nuclear proliferation, yes; Religous Violence, maybe; Poor Mexicans, no.

Originally posted by

Mike

"Illegal"Immigration "is" the biggest problem that Americans face.
Most of the problems facing us today can be directly related to "Illegal"Immigration. School Overcrowding, Emergency rooms closing, and Funds for wellfare Programs are being drained by "Illegal"Immigration. Jobs that would be narmally filled by High School & Collage students are being taken by the "Illegal" Immigration.
Union Jobs are being undercut by "Illegal"Immigration" because "Illegal" workers are willing to work with no benifits and low wages.
I can keep going with this list, so many problem are directly related to not controling "Illegal"Immigration".

howard

posted 1/18/08 @ 1:29 PM EST

It is amazing what the naysayers come up with on the issue of illegal immigration. We can't enforce the borders, can't deport them, the list goes on. Enough of this whining, crying laziness. We can enforce the border, we can force them to go home. States will have to take up the issue and force the feds to perform their elected duties. It as simple as rules and laws.
1. It is easier to do a job right the first time than to do it a second. Take away the reason they are here and they will leave. Simple enough?
2. If a business can't do business legally, they don't need to be in business. Not too complicated is it?
3. Our immigration system is not broken, just not enforced due to our government laziness. Remember the old rule, " if job is worth doing it is worth doing right". Our government doesn't see it that way that is why they "allowed" this to happen.
If we do not have the resolve to make sure our government represents the citizens, then why have elections?

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:30 PM EST

Laws do not dictate behaviors. They discourage them.

If you really want to try and enforce the border and kick all the illegal immigrants out, enjoy your $50 boxes of strawberries. And the colossal outrage of the majority of the Spanish-speaking world. And an economy in shambles.

The fact of the matter is that it's cheaper and better for the economy allow them to sneak in. It'd be better for the economy if they were all legitimate citizens, but that's just wishful thinking. In the face of economics, laws are optional. To think otherwise is to delude yourself with ideological wishful thinking. It's not nearly as simple as you seem to think it is.

Originally posted by

howard

It is amazing what the naysayers come up with on the issue of illegal immigration. We can't enforce the borders, can't deport them, the list goes on. Enough of this whining, crying laziness. We can enforce the border, we can force them to go home. States will have to take up the issue and force the feds to perform their elected duties. It as simple as rules and laws.
1. It is easier to do a job right the first time than to do it a second. Take away the reason they are here and they will leave. Simple enough?
2. If a business can't do business legally, they don't need to be in business. Not too complicated is it?
3. Our immigration system is not broken, just not enforced due to our government laziness. Remember the old rule, " if job is worth doing it is worth doing right". Our government doesn't see it that way that is why they "allowed" this to happen.
If we do not have the resolve to make sure our government represents the citizens, then why have elections?

Karen

posted 1/18/08 @ 4:42 PM EST

My neighbor had this dog. It kept coming over to my yard and crapping and eating my own dog's food. It created alot of tension and even would fight my dog. It would come over every day and sit on my porch and demand food. The owner of the dog refused to do anything about it even though I asked that he keep it tied up. I paid for a fence and the dog dug under the fence and still kept coming over and crapping and demanding food and causing chaos with my own dog. I electrified the fence. The dog doesn't come over any more. I figure with the amount of dog food I saved and the tension and chaos it was causing me and my home the fence more than paid for itself. Good fences make great neighbors!

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:40 PM EST

Illegal Immigrants are people, not dogs. If the dog has no food, it would be mean to turn it away. It would also be both cruel and unusual to electrify the fence. If an immigrant came here illegally because of poverty, it is both morally wrong and inhumane to simply toss them out on their behinds.

On a more personal note, who the heck electrifies a fence between their neighbors house and their own? It's a bit like swatting flies with a bazooka.

Originally posted by

Karen

My neighbor had this dog. It kept coming over to my yard and crapping and eating my own dog's food. It created alot of tension and even would fight my dog. It would come over every day and sit on my porch and demand food. The owner of the dog refused to do anything about it even though I asked that he keep it tied up. I paid for a fence and the dog dug under the fence and still kept coming over and crapping and demanding food and causing chaos with my own dog. I electrified the fence. The dog doesn't come over any more. I figure with the amount of dog food I saved and the tension and chaos it was causing me and my home the fence more than paid for itself. Good fences make great neighbors!

Furrah Qureshi

posted 1/22/08 @ 12:17 AM EST

I agree with Michael. Your dog analogy is insulting--and not just to the Mexican people that you liken to animals, but to the readers that have to live knowing you think such a colossal political, economical and humanitarian problem has such a simple answer.

american

posted 1/18/08 @ 6:34 PM EST

I have a solution to the problem. Currently, any pregnant woman that can make it across the border and to the emergency room will have her baby paid for by the American taxpayers. Because of a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment, that child is considered an American citizen and is immediately eligible to 18 years of all of the welfare benenfits, which is of course paid to the illegal alien. If we would go back to the original intent of the 14th amendment, both the mother and the child would be immediately deported to the mothers country. I would much rather pay for a one way ticket for two than 18 years of welfare. This could be implemented immediately, and would relieve the burdens of all of the illegals reproducing in the United States. Cut the head of the monster, and the body will soon die.

Michael Harris-Peyton

posted 1/21/08 @ 10:50 PM EST

Hey, at least I got someone to read the constitution a bit. Even to argue me. That's a success.

Your proposed solution doesn't solve what to do with the illegal immigrants who are here and *male*. And they'll also keep coming from outside, and if you kick them out, they'll just come back illegally. Which actually generates more illegal immigrants, which strains the other systems they use. Children born in the country are the tail of the snake, really. And your solution involves ammending the constitution to get rid of a problem that we could solve by simply making it easier to immigrate legally.

And also, the 14th Ammendment guarantees that no person who is a citizen of the United States can be denied their rights, explicitly. Your solution is a direct violation of constitutional law. Ammending it would also open up the door to further loss of civil liberties on other arbitrary factors.

Originally posted by

american

I have a solution to the problem. Currently, any pregnant woman that can make it across the border and to the emergency room will have her baby paid for by the American taxpayers. Because of a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment, that child is considered an American citizen and is immediately eligible to 18 years of all of the welfare benenfits, which is of course paid to the illegal alien. If we would go back to the original intent of the 14th amendment, both the mother and the child would be immediately deported to the mothers country. I would much rather pay for a one way ticket for two than 18 years of welfare. This could be implemented immediately, and would relieve the burdens of all of the illegals reproducing in the United States. Cut the head of the monster, and the body will soon die.

Brittanicus

posted 4/10/09 @ 12:40 PM EST

In this melting economy and our lawmakers complete resistance to the US publics policies. American patriots must do the right thing and stop this violation of Federal law. No doubt it will be very difficult because the administration in power, is run by Left wing Democrats. Sen. David Vitter, Republican-LA has drafted S95, a law if enacted, could kill all funding to any city that is infamously branded a "Sanctuary City." With indifference to American populations outcry any city that entertains as a refuge to illegal immigrants. They will have to search the deep pockets of their business co-conspirators, to insure costs for services. We all know the 50 Senators including Harry Reid, and Madam Pelosi who secretly suppressed e-verify, so that more than 300.000 illegal labor, could compete for jobs with American Workers, attributed to the Stimulus/ Omnibus spending. Reid of Nevada, as Mrs. Pelosi of California aware that their states were inundated with illegal aliens, so they had to do something? Likely the reason they made funding for E-Verify funding disappear?


What are any of these idiots thinking, when their are 10 million jobless Americans right now in these United States? They must be undead zombies not to realize without any logic, that we can't afford to subsidize as estimated by the Heritage Foundation 40 million illegal aliens? Perhaps professional people in limited numbers with absolute skills in the scientific fields. But certainly not uneducated, indigent labor who competes with legal low skilled whites, blacks or any other color, creed or religion? We all must be bloody fools not to recognize, that California nearly went into a $47 billion dollar crash. Because of the payout to the illegal poor who have figured out the way to short change Americans of their pay checks.

A great example of the avenue illegal aliens have fraudulently, exploited free money is the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). In his book financial analyst and economist Edwin Rubinstein. He states that (EITC) is the largest anti-poverty program in the United States -- and the most illegal-immigrant friendly. In 2007, more than 23 million households received more than $47 billion in the EITC payments. Much of the so-called "tax relief" goes to people who never paid a cent in taxes, and may have already defrauded the government of huge sums each year. EITC has become yet another means of depriving hard-working Americans of their own resources. It robs some to give to others. he EITC is the most accessible of the major entitlement programs and used by more people than food stamps and welfare (TANF)* combined he admits.
Also know America settles more new legal immigrants, than any place on Mother Earth. Over 1.5 million immigrants were nationalized last year.


Should this law get the backing of millions of Americans, we have the tremendous influence to sever most welfare benefits and government handouts, to anybody who steals into a sovereign country without being processed. In states like California where in just Los Angeles county alone, an estimated 4 million illegal nationals have settled there. The clogged schools have become a breeding ground for violence, because non-English comprehension is prevalent there. Even the main school office English is spoken as a second language. The people's safety net is now overwhelmed by families, who have learned to tap every social welfare program available. Legal or otherwise! Even Federal programs-for citizens only-- has been compromised, including low income housing, pre-natal and after birth care, hospital emergency care, where the illegal uninsured, dumped on the entrance to a hospital by pirate contractors and business owners. It is Left for the taxpayer, to pick up the bill. Not just for major injury, but for flue, nail fungus or anything minor--and its free. All the while citizens are interrogated for their insurance card, social security number or money to pay. They get Scott-free care and we get a phone call from a debt collector or end up in front of a bankruptcy judge. California was just one state where local government has intentionally ignored the "Rule of Law." Poor foreign nationals have turned our neighborhoods into littered streets and heinous crime scenes as never before in our history.



Today we have a slender chance to stop this caricature of our laws. Call, write, fax or phone and make your demands real to these pro-illegal immigrant legislators. It seems their arrogant attitude can overrule the will of THE PEOPLE. The president has already informed us that an Amnesty is being readied. The problem is after the 1986 Amnesty, we were avidly promised--NO MORE. If yet another Amnesty is passed, the impoverished outside our lands will keep coming. Taxpayers have--and will be a permanent--THE BEAST OF BURDEN. Taxpayer in-perpetuity will be expected to carry in social services for every lawbreaker. We cannot afford another Amnesty. Every family from Guatemala, Kowloon and Bombay can sponsor all and every relative they possess and you end up paying for our traitorous politicians.

Go to CAPSWEB to utilize their petition to condemn Sanctuary cities. Read the facts at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIALWATCH, FAIR AND AMERICAN PATROL
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