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Some homeless do not deserve help

Abstract:
Should you reward a disobedient child with candy? No - at least, you aren't a good parent if you do. So, should you reward a bum for his laziness with your spare change? No - at least, you aren't a good citizen if you do.

You may ask yourself, "What does this guy know about kids?" or, "Why does this guy not like homeless people?"

To begin with, I have always known there are a lot of homeless people in Philadelphia; you see them around 7- Eleven all the time....

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Shenglan Zhang

posted 5/10/08 @ 8:57 AM EST

The only problem is that one are not able to figure out which beggar is the dilligent one.

John

posted 5/10/08 @ 11:17 AM EST

It's cute how you've been trained to think that "to work" is "to have meaning", "to be meaningful". You work to fund the rich, kid. Debate that. Your anti-lazy "work ethic" has been engrained into by the rich of society for whom you generate money by working like an obedient tool. This article is very naive and I pray written by an 18 year old freshman. If I were a "bum" I'd piss in your face.

David Pirtle

posted 5/10/08 @ 5:01 PM EST

Your ignorance of the truth about the homeless problem in this country is matched only by your insulting attitude. First and formost, most of the 4000 who experience homelessness in the city of Philidelphia you will never see. They are the men women and children who reside in the warehouses known as shelters, and who work or go to school every day. The only difference between these individuals and someone privilaged like yourself is that they cant afford a place to live.

The top causes of homelessness in this country are 1. the lack of affordable housing, 2. the lack of health insurance, 3. Domestic Violence, 4. Poor paying jobs, and 5. mental illness. Surprisingly, the breakdown of the good old American work ethic doesnt appear on the list.

Those individuals who you do see on the streets, known affectionately by policy makers as the "Chronically Homeless," that is people who have been homeless for more than a year or four times in the last 3 years, are invariably ill, either physically or mentally or both, and/or addicted to substances, though it is important to point out that the vast majority (over 80 percent) of those who do abuse drugs or alcohol while homeless did not start until long after becoming homeless, as a mechanism for coping with the pain and humiliation of their situation, as well as falling victim to the dealers who prey on this vulnerable population by camping outside shelters and soup kitchens. Again, I have yet to find one (1) individual who was chronically homeless because one day he (or she) decided that the work-a-day life was not for him (or her) and had packed up his (or her) bags for a life of leisure (i.e. sleeping in the rain and eating out of garbage cans.)

How do I know all of this? Well, apart from being a board member at the National Coalition for the Homeless, I was homeless myself for a number of years after developing schizophrenia at the late age of 29, during which time I slept on park benches and survived off the refuse of my "betters." By the way, that woman you see eating out of garbage cans is not "reverting" to any animal instinct. She's HUNGRY. What do you do when you are hungry, eh? You eat. So do I, and so does everyone. Unfortunately since there isnt a decent amount of food to go around for those who arent provided for in the campus cafeteria, and because many neighborhoods and communities are making it illegal to pass out food to those in need, one must make do.

Here's a hint about how to alleviate the disgraceful problem of homelessness in America. Homes. Amazing when I speak at high schools and colleges around the country that I never get that answer, since what someone who is homeless by definition requires is a home. This earth shattering concept was first tried in New York a few years ago, when it was discovered that we actually spend more (about ten to fifteen thousand dollars more per individual) to maintain a large homeless population than it costs to provide decent housing for those in need, complete with wrap around services that help them to cope with or overcome the problems that led to their homelessness in the first place.

But the bottom line, the root cause, as it were, of homelessness is simply poverty. Indeed I know a great many people who have health problems, addictions, have suffered domestic violence, and so on, who have never experienced homelessness, because they have money the money to cushion themselves when such tragedies occur in their lives. It is only those who do not have the cushion of wealth to fall back upon who end up homeless as a result. So the homeless problem is not in fact a problem of laziness, but of class division. It is the unavoidable result of having the vast majority of this nation's many resources controlled by a small percentage of upper class twits who go to university and write doggeral about the lesser beings that they are forced to look at on their way to Whole Foods.

remington

posted 7/20/09 @ 4:42 PM EST

Originally posted by

David Pirtle

Your ignorance of the truth about the homeless problem in this country is matched only by your insulting attitude. First and formost, most of the 4000 who experience homelessness in the city of Philidelphia you will never see. They are the men women and children who reside in the warehouses known as shelters, and who work or go to school every day. The only difference between these individuals and someone privilaged like yourself is that they cant afford a place to live.

The top causes of homelessness in this country are 1. the lack of affordable housing, 2. the lack of health insurance, 3. Domestic Violence, 4. Poor paying jobs, and 5. mental illness. Surprisingly, the breakdown of the good old American work ethic doesnt appear on the list.

Those individuals who you do see on the streets, known affectionately by policy makers as the "Chronically Homeless," that is people who have been homeless for more than a year or four times in the last 3 years, are invariably ill, either physically or mentally or both, and/or addicted to substances, though it is important to point out that the vast majority (over 80 percent) of those who do abuse drugs or alcohol while homeless did not start until long after becoming homeless, as a mechanism for coping with the pain and humiliation of their situation, as well as falling victim to the dealers who prey on this vulnerable population by camping outside shelters and soup kitchens. Again, I have yet to find one (1) individual who was chronically homeless because one day he (or she) decided that the work-a-day life was not for him (or her) and had packed up his (or her) bags for a life of leisure (i.e. sleeping in the rain and eating out of garbage cans.)

How do I know all of this? Well, apart from being a board member at the National Coalition for the Homeless, I was homeless myself for a number of years after developing schizophrenia at the late age of 29, during which time I slept on park benches and survived off the refuse of my "betters." By the way, that woman you see eating out of garbage cans is not "reverting" to any animal instinct. She's HUNGRY. What do you do when you are hungry, eh? You eat. So do I, and so does everyone. Unfortunately since there isnt a decent amount of food to go around for those who arent provided for in the campus cafeteria, and because many neighborhoods and communities are making it illegal to pass out food to those in need, one must make do.

Here's a hint about how to alleviate the disgraceful problem of homelessness in America. Homes. Amazing when I speak at high schools and colleges around the country that I never get that answer, since what someone who is homeless by definition requires is a home. This earth shattering concept was first tried in New York a few years ago, when it was discovered that we actually spend more (about ten to fifteen thousand dollars more per individual) to maintain a large homeless population than it costs to provide decent housing for those in need, complete with wrap around services that help them to cope with or overcome the problems that led to their homelessness in the first place.

But the bottom line, the root cause, as it were, of homelessness is simply poverty. Indeed I know a great many people who have health problems, addictions, have suffered domestic violence, and so on, who have never experienced homelessness, because they have money the money to cushion themselves when such tragedies occur in their lives. It is only those who do not have the cushion of wealth to fall back upon who end up homeless as a result. So the homeless problem is not in fact a problem of laziness, but of class division. It is the unavoidable result of having the vast majority of this nation's many resources controlled by a small percentage of upper class twits who go to university and write doggeral about the lesser beings that they are forced to look at on their way to Whole Foods.


Beautiful....nothing else needs to be said...thank you david for telling it like it is,,,,and bringing the truth to light....your my hero!

Conor

posted 5/12/08 @ 4:50 PM EST

So, you just read an Ayn Rand book or something? Jerk.

Mike Visnov

posted 5/13/08 @ 10:56 AM EST

You're not giving to a single homeless person, you're giving to humanity. - Socrates

Ryan Hunsicker

posted 5/16/08 @ 7:31 PM EST

Friends, before you decide to scream that you will piss in this mans face, or that he is a naive fool without an understanding, perhaps it would do you good to simply calm yourselves and read what he said. The entirety of his message can be condensed into this: that there are homeless who should be helped, who are deserving and unable to help themselves--we should give to these people in what ways we can--there are those who are homeless, but do find ways to be industrious, we should give to these people too--however there are those who we should not help as they refuse to help themselves.
Mayhap that once you were, or will one day be homeless, as Mr. David Pirtle (who posted a response to this article) was, this is not a reason to become self righteous, friend. If you are privy to information, you should inform and not become a fire brand. You may have several good points, but none more valid than the person who you responded to. It does us no good, Mike Visnov, to quote Socrates ancient words without a discussion of them--avoid such things; they are presumptuous, though you yourself are probably not.
The writer of this article, whoever he is, did not say anything that is completely outlandish or unjustified. If you, reader, think so then it might behoove you to reread his piece and highlight the parts where he says again and again who need be helped, how, and when. It comes down to this, we should help people who need (mentally ill, addicts, etc) help, or who want to be helped. Should your change be asked for by a person, who could become industrious, but does not-- if you have not met one perhaps that is simply because you were not walking on the right street at the right moment, alas though, they do exist--let him or her figure out a simple thing to do (as simple as opening a door) that will be a help and earn.

jordan.

posted 11/19/09 @ 11:41 PM EST

i'm writing a paper at this very moment. and your article has helped me explain the ignorance in this country. Homeless people are human beings who have been created by God, along with everyone else. and if ur stupid enough to give a homeless person money... think again. give them food. give them your coat. give them your friendship. these people are on the fringes of society, and they shouldnt have to explain themselves. who cares where they are, where they've been, or where they're going? give. because that is what we're supposed to do. do some good in the world and make it a better place instead of trying to get rid of these people and write articles that arent going to do anything. if you want to stop homelessness, start an organization and start fighting poverty.
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